Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Should You Obey Evil Instructions?


The idea of whether or not to obey government authority when asked to put chemicals into the air that would harm the health of people was discussed today in a class and reminded me of this Milgram's Obedience Experiment.  You could reenact this experiment in your church or school or home and report the results.  There have been several videos repeating this. Is there a theory or a law taught here? What would you have done?  What does this say about our military forces? Which if any of God's Commandments have been violated?  Who violated which commandment?  How are these ideas being used to control people in your town? This is what makes the fields of psychology and sociology interesting.  It is also when there is a great need for Christians to take these fields captive to the obedience of Christ as the authority, not only over Christians, but over everyone.

There are two more parts to this last video if you are interested.  Would/should a Christian conduct such an experiment?  Why or why not?  Should US soldiers obey authority if they are asked to put a known toxic chemical into the air over an American city?  What Biblical principles justify your answers?

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Karissa Baker · 713 weeks ago

That is just down right creepy!!! 75% of the people were willing to kill the other person, because someone said it was okay, and it was for science. Christians should not do this, because it is murder (if it hadn't been faked), and we are commanded not to murder, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Soldiers shouldn't put a known toxic chemical over a city, U.S. or otherwise, unless it had been completely evacuated, and then there would be no point. It is one thing to kill in defense of your country, it's another thing to commit mass murder, of innocent civilians, just because you are told to do it.
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Brittany Bloom · 713 weeks ago

I am very disturbed at this point in time.
Most of those people "killed" the student, and some without questioning at all!
Although this is completely morally and ethically wrong, rather your a Christian or not, it really has me thinking. If I were put in this same situation, as the teacher who inflicted pain upon others, how would I react?? Would I continue on because it was "absolutely necessary" for the experiment to work, or would I act against the authority for what I knew was right.
This is all terrifying to me. The fact that in every day, kind, normal people, there is a dark side that has the ability to put physical pain on others.
Am I beyond this behavior because I am a Christian?
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J. Aaron Guy · 713 weeks ago

That...was something I will never ever watch or even think about again. The fact that it is even on the blog is a feet in and of itself. No. I would never would be able nor willing to do that I dont care if they told me I had to do it on penalty of death! I wouldn't! and if they were to try and finish it for me I would punch their lights out. I would go back in the room and get them out of there. That is not right even if it was not real. That is torture for the "teacher"! I would punch the actors!...all of them! I know who those people think. They dont care and that is why they continued.__The Holocaust was something that I feel very strongly about and even now I am mad and am crying....That experiment was unessasary and if they had not LEARNED from Hitler, then they are dence. Hitler was a mean evil, nasty, crule, unsaved man. Do I believe that all have the sick potential to do that experiment? unfortunately...yes...I was always taught " but for the Grace of God, there go I.." that means if we had not had the Lord in our hearts then yes we would be that way with that dark evil. side inside of us. I am going to stop now because I am angry...I dont want to lose my testimony.
WOW!................this is very frightening and brings to clarity how some of the world thinks, and how they act upon authority. I found this horrifying, yet in an odd sense rather interesting......i hope this doesnt make me a psychopath :/ but this should not be repeated anywhere....ever.....again.
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David Giglio · 713 weeks ago

That was one of the most frightening, interesting and enlightening things i have ever seen, but it's something all humans are capable of. Since the fall of man, human nature has been completely deprived. At the the core we must realize that without God's grace, we are all bad people and capable of perpetrating all kinds of evil. It is the human nature to lie, steel, cheat, lust and kill, though there is conscience human's without God have no reason to do what is right. The only savior from ourselves and Satan is Jesus Christ, to place God, before country, to not follow blindly the demands of a government, but to make sure that what we are doing is morally and spiritually right.
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Daniel Guy · 713 weeks ago

I never thought of those things before and now that I see it....well it's just not right! People are realy stupid some times and way to deceptive now I know we dont know our own hearts but humans should not always trust science and a prophesser for the right answers.......If you want to know how people will react TAKE A SERVEY! DONT TAKE PEOPLES LIVES IN VANE!
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Jacob Nelson · 713 weeks ago

Well when i saw this i was dumbfounded that there could even be an experiment about harming others. Yet this whole experiment was done based on the carnage of ww2. how could 1 man lead his whole country to the slaughter of millions of innocent human beings? In my mind the professor was hitler, the teacher were germans and the learner were jews. The whole point of the experiment was to see how many people blindly follow what thier told to do. After 60 years we human beings are no differnet from nazis and hitler in the sense that we blindly follow another human being to inflict pain upon others, well bottom line and comparisons aside this experiment shows that we as humans have no respect for others lives. Weither your a christian, atheist, homosexual, lebanese or orient, there is a disrespect for humans, and rather try and be upset at this experiment i think that i at least learn from it, cause like brittany said, would i keep shocking the guy up? I think this experiment isa fascinating cause no matter who you take, and what you say they still press the zap button. Even though three candidates dropped out, they didnt stop it till halfway through. Deffinatly something I will watch again and ask myself those questions.
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We are supposed to follow authority given by God, not man's authority. THat's what the Bible says. We are supposed to respect authority, but that doesn't mean we have to do whatever they say. If is agrees with what God says then we can obey it.
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Karissa Baker · 713 weeks ago

New Blog:
Did you ever wonder if unicorns are real?
Probably not. As a little kid you may have believed in them, but then you were told they were myths, and stopped believing, probably never reaching the questioning age as to whether or not they are real. Now, you probably are definitive in the fact that they are myths.
Allow me to make you wonder…
First off… how would anyone ever come up with the idea of a horse with a horn on it’s head… what would they use it for, to pick apples off of really tall trees?
Okay, on a more serious note, unicorns actually do hold a place in some translations of the Bible. Job 39:9 says “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?” in the King James Version of the bible, which was the first legal version of the English bible, made legal by King Henry the 8th of, well, England. The same verse in the 21st century King James Version, reads the same. Okay, the next translation is going to be the Luther Bibel 1545; Job 39:9 “Meinst du das Einhorn werde dir dienen und werde bleiben an deiner Krippe?” This is Dutch, and is roughly translated “Do you think the unicorn will serve you and will stay at your crib?” Did you catch it? Einhorn – Unicorn. And that’s in another language.
My next two verses have been nominated to be; Number’s 23:22, and Numbers 24:8. Which read; Numbers 23:22 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.” And, Numbers 24:8 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.” Okay, those two verses are identical in the versions I will be using with the exception that one only contains the first part, so I’m only going to be inserting the translation for Numbers 23:22. Numbers 23:22 “Бог, що вивів був їх із Єгипту, Він для нього, як міць однорожця!” In the Ukrainian Bible, roughly translated “God brought them out of Egypt, He hath the might as the unicorn!” Tricked you, you thought I was going Dutch, when I went Ukrainian. By the way, it’s unicorn in the Luther Bibel 1545 as well, I just want more translations.
Okay, I will give you that in Contemporary English version, and some others, it says wild ox, but you also have to realize that in the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition, and in the Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Latin) versions it says rhinoceros, and in the La Nuova Diodati (Italian) version it say’s buffalo.
Okay, so obviously people can’t agree what say’s there… is it a unicorn, wild bull, wild ox, buffalo, or a rhinoceros. Also, if you can’t come up with a translation, then you would ask for help, and depending on who you ask, you’ll get a different answer. About the only thing that people agree on is that it was a mammal with horns. I opt towards a unicorn, wild bull, or rhinoceros. I partly think wild bull because it is so common, rhinoceros because it is the strongest of all of these, and it talks about their strength and might, and I think unicorn partly because I want them to be real, and partly because they are a calmer animal, and because God can use whatever He wants to. I specify that they are a calmer animal, because I wouldn’t want a real rhinoceros standing by my crib, as in Job 39:9.
-Karissa Baker

In case you are wondering, no I don’t speak Dutch or Ukrainian, Google translate helped me out with that.

Some other verses mentioning unicorns are Isaiah 34:7, Psalms 92:10, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 22:21, and Deuteronomy 33:17.
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